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The Shocking Truths About High Frequency Trading

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  1. HIGH FREQUENCY TRADING and DERIVATIVES are stopping ordinary inestors from investing.The manipulation is making it like being in a casino.I think they should be banned.

    1. Kylelong says:

      That’s the problem. It represents too much money and volume. Banning it would mean stopping the crook bankers who already control everything. It will never get banned

    2. curlacil says:

      Its not stopping anyone from investing. People are idiots. they see the stock market rise and they buy stocks. they see it fall and they sell. people tend to do what the media tells them to do and the majority of them fall for it. HFT or no HFT

  2. SandraM says:

    How much money does it take for one of these software programs to run? I know companies like GETCO sell their software, but who buys it and how is it used?

    1. petesmall says:

      Doesn’t take much money. They sell to brokerages. But I guess u would have to own a brokerage to make effective use of it

  3. G Woody says:

    I’ve written Flaherty too.

    There’s a longer list of people who have tries to draw attention to what’s happening. I’ve covered this a number of times on my blog, I’m an activist with the VetureCrisis.org people, written the minister of finance with data to support my conclusions about the outcome of HFT, tried to expose the security flaw our government is ignoring, and challenged the securities regs to look at hard data.

    Clearly, more people need to speak up. This is a horrendous security breach waiting to happen. Yes, buying physical gold is our only protection but then it also means being deprived of the right to make sound bets with proper DD. I like mining for example. I can do really good DD on the projects. Because of HFT and how our Canadian Regs changed the rules for the benefit of the HFT guys I can no longer invest there on sound principles. Pounds in the ground, quality, etc.

    Returning to the breach. What if there were computer generated attack schedules? Add that to the already powerful machines and you can see where that could go. They are hacking with impunity after all. By comparison, the chess computers have swiftly out paced the humans. You’d be shocked to see where that’s going to be in just 5 years from now.

    I know that if I were programming for one of these companies I would use some pretty wicked ideas too. I would be looking at every disruptive tactic I could think of. Combined with my understanding of the macro picture I would be an awesome centaur. (Human machine duo in chess. For those who don’t know, they are nearly unbeatable).

    There is one solution. Force trades to have a 1 second duration.

    1. Theo Casey says:

      Great analogy with Chess machines. For Canadians, its not so much the HFT, but rather regulation that has caused the market to shrink. The big banks are taking over. I hope Mr. Lo goes over that in more detail with his audience. Something every one should know.

  4. G Woody says:

    Oh hey,
    Ivan, thank you for drawing attention to this in a very illustrative way.

    Webgogs

  5. Serge Goeleven says:

    My English is not so well to understand all good.
    My language is Dutch.
    Looks interesting.

    Kind regards

  6. A significant transaction tax would stop HFT nonsense. I believe it’s called a Tobin Tax.

    Shorting is also very destructive. Naked or legal makes no difference. stopshortingstocks.com Re-hypothecation too.

    Too bad investors & the public are such sheeple or they would start by cancelling subscriptions to all media outlets. Starve the beast. Then maybe we would have some real choice in who we vote for. Wake up folks.

    1. kelly foote says:

      You cant stop shorts unless all trades were done at one brokerage house. Thats the problem. every brokerage firm has their own monitoring, it is impossible for the regulators to monitor every trading house/brokerage to see if they actually have stock for settlement. People can also borrow stock within the firm. its as this article says, “the stock market is rigged.”

      Taxing transactions won’t work either because the exchanges make money that way. the more transcations they do, the more the exchanges make. Why would they allow that kind of tax?

      It should simply be illegal for a computer to make computerized trades where the orders are not by a person. simple.

  7. D Lidster says:

    My distaste for the markets and banks!

    After 2008 when the Bank of America hit its bottom. I bought 10000 stocks. Was sent a letter by BoA stating that my shares would be honored if I agreed to not sell my stock until 2015. TD Bank then somehow lost my stocks and has absolutely no recollection of these events. Since then they lost all of my stock in a digital snafu.

    I have wrote the ombudsman at TD Bank Group

    Sally David

    Customer Administrative Officer Office of the Ombudsman P.O Box 1 Toronto-Dominion Centre Toronto, ON M5K 1A2

    She does not give a FAK. Came up with some jargon that covers there butts and losses my money in the form of shares.
    BS!

    Furthermore TD Bank will only offer options trading if pay for their premium platform. Every other bank. Free! But increased transaction pricing.

    Not a happy Canadian banking customer! Giving up on the manipulation!

    Computers are the new 1%
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    1. kelly foote says:

      welcome to the world of computer wealth. when you consider things that way, gold and hard assets really do seem much better. Eventually, once people start losing more paper wealth, they will realise what paper really is worth – no more than the trees they are printed on.

    2. Danny demarco says:

      Canadian anything has always been bad. Our tv, banks, fees are far higher than the US, which makes it so hard for us to compete in any market! If it weren’t for out resources, we would have nothing

      1. Mike says:

        I think there are a lot of misconceptions about HFT. It is important to consider that the volume of HFT is indeed high, but holding time is very short. Accordingly, HFT determines prices in the second and minutes time-frame, but not at hours, and definitively not at days or years time-frames. In the twitter example or other HFT-induced crashes you can clearly see that they last very short. For an investor or a trader this means more noise for the short-term time-frame if he is not able to predict behavior of HFT-computers. However, normally he does not particular care about this time frame and this noise is anyway limited to the range the prices moves within seconds and minutes (which is in most situations very low <1%). For the rare case he captures a moment that prices are moving more than 1% within a minutes, and this move is induced by HFT, it is important to mention that the HFT-induced crashes/bubbles have a certain price dynamic, which builds up over seconds and possible minutes. Human mind may need 500 ms for a decisions, but this is enough time to recognize a strong price dynamic towards one direction and to adapt behavior accordingly. HFT-induced crashes, last only a short time, only as long as another HFT-computer needs to detect the strong market move an react (buy). Thus, HFT-trading will maintain to move prices at a very time frame mostly within a narrow range, but traders and investors move prices at the long run, and understanding their behavior as well as their economic environment, will kept to be a profitable strategy.

        1. Frank says:

          Mike, I think you are right but so very wrong at the same time. HFT programs are programmed to also battle each other. So where one may try to move the gap up, the other down. While they move trades in the short term, they do this non stop throughout the whole day. So if they are doing this ongoing throughout the day, their millisecond reactions and narrow time frame you talk about now stretches even further. Furthermore, these programs are created by humans, which means a human can program the HFT’s to buy the stock up and market-make. Go to GETCO’s website and you will see that part of their HFT programs do exactly that, make a market. Theres a lot more to HFT than people believe and its not as simple as just the split second decision making that you’re emphasizing.

  8. Dvaranin says:

    For most investors hft is totally irrelevent. True there is more volitility, but for those who trade in days or weeks r months, we can make or lose money the same way.
    You should not imply hft is the reason for all of the reduction of the hold time. 50 years ago to trade a stock we had to look at the papers over a long period then phone a broker , now we logon to site, look at a chart and trade in minutes.
    All this crying the sky is falling!
    The sky is just changing colors

    1. Gary Melman says:

      No human can make a trade in milliseconds. No human can trade and buy a stock within 16 seconds – the average holding time for stocks. The sky is changing colours but when more than 50% + of the trades are made by computers, thats the issue.

      You’re an idiot for thinking the way you do. No one is crying but to say that the market cant be rigged by these trading machines is absurd

  9. Martin says:

    I understand that the rate of taxation on investments is very dependant on how much risk is involved. HFT is 100% safe and therefore should be taxed at the highest investment rate, i.e. government bond and GIC taxation levels.

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    This is when money grubbers HFT software looses them money. Without human interaction, a short position can grow sufficiently fast. This is with the expectation that the higher prices will produce the result of ligitimate shareowners selling into their short cover position. This company was reorganized and the debtors were given millions of shares for debt. If you were a debtor now investor, would you sell at a lose or even hang on to the reins.
    The problem is when there is sufficiently high liquidity in a stock (free shares trading daily because no floor trader / retail traders wants to hold them) invites a falling stock price. They will sell to each other until the dumb investor thinking to actually invest for say a month or year etc. actually buys up the liquidity. No more ligitimate sellers. This forces a rebound of about 10 to 20 % creating a bottom on the chart. As long a fear does not arise on the stock, it will flatten out to December when most short positions are covered, certainly before March 30 tax year end for brokerage houses.
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